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1. D' thD' th Berserker posted May 5, 2012 03:05 AM
Before you say it.

Yes I know I am beating a dead horse.

But when people's short-sightedness gets in the way of their ultimate goal, I have to say something.

Gems = $$$$$$$$

I have Gems, some of my friends can't afford them. If I could give them some, they would spend them.

You may say "that's okay, you already bought them. So if you use them or not, we still got paid"

Now pay attention, short-sighted alert.

Yes that is true.

But for those who can afford gems, we are fat with them and not spending them. If we could share them, it would be the same as us spending them.

And what happens when someone who can buy Gems has no more. That's right we buy them.

Case in point:
Now that the keys are on sale I asked a friend if they wanted to do the Ruins (reward would mean nothing to us but felt it would be fun). Sorry, no Gems. Now if I could gift them we would be doing the Ruins now and I would be moving closer to the Gem Purchase. Not sure if I'm going to do it alone. So Gems still in my "bank".

If you allowed us to either trade Gems or gift some (of the ones we have), your Gem sales will go up.

Think about it.

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2. gaspyrgaspyr Guard posted May 5, 2012 03:58 AM
we've raised this issue a long time ago but none cared about us (poke ama for an old thread she posted about this matter giving great arguments too).

so i support this topic, plus i would like to add another issue concerning gem gears : we can neither trade em with other players nor get decent dinars from selling them to the market , and ofc if a player has a full gem set and decides to put it aside to wear a higher level set, it means he would have to delete em since we've very few space in inventory to store stuff.

seriously, this so pisses me off. tbh i've no prob with paying money for gems (smthg i do with a big smile if the game keeps providing great content) but having stupid restrictions on gem trade is no good. a lot of players (including me) bought the 25 gear set, then in few time the cap raised and it became useless, so only way was delete. now let's say the lvl cap is raised again, the 30+ guys (including me) will for sure go for the next gear set , here again, we will be stuk with 2 full gear set in our hands => deleting is only option.

as D'th said, it's kind of a waste, i mean really and i wonder why we can't just trade our gem gears ? think about it dear TT's guys :

if a guy who bought gem is lvl X and bought gear set for lvl X, but he still has the lvl Y gear set (X > Y). if he can trade his Y gear set he would then give it away or sell for another lower lvl guy who would benefit from it without hurting the wallet of TT's, cuz if u think about it he will just have somethg that's out of date, and this lower lvl guy will in all cases have to buy the higher lvl gear set in case he lvled up [to stand up against other top players].

On the other hand, players who are at lvl cap and bought their new full gear set would never trade that ofc, so if they wanna help a friend who reached cap lvl too but has no gems, they will for sure have to buy that set for him => (TT.wallet.increase()

the point is : GEM = PREMIUM = targeted towards top level players, in other words any high level player will have to buy gems (except if he doesnt or cant, so only way for him is to get gems from another one)

========> you either pay urself gems or another guy pay for u ======> TT's wins exactly the same amount of money, but just in a different way. im kind of repeating myself here, but tryna hard to explain this very OBVIOUS fact that TT's still not taking into consideration.

enabling gem trade or gear and gem goods trade won't affect the game in anyway, rather it would improve the economic side within the game an give soome value to dinars maybe.

to sum up, u've different options :
- enable gem trade (global option)
- enable gem geear or gem items trade) [for pets don't do that, since it's against ur model of contracts :p )
or ENABLE NOTHING

but no matter what u choose at least increase the dinar value of gem gear, cuz it's ridiculous to see gem gear with 100 dinars value, even worse, some pink items have higher value than gem ones. i suggested this as a kind of a gem gear recycle bin, to lower the waste of money generated by the purchase of a new gear set.

sry for my overcrowded writing, but please take time to read my arguments as i took the time to write them, thank you in advance.
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3. WittekindWittekind GM posted May 5, 2012 02:09 PM in reply to gaspyr's post
To Gemt gear trade see my Post in

Auction Hall

To Giving Gems away :
If you can easy effort to give gems away : You can already do this,

Just maybe consider the option of letting you're friend have some pay safe codes !


And don't forget the old pay safe tickets where there rest still a few credits on the can be combined to the sum required !

Example you buy 85 gems with a Paysafe card worth 10 euro

The price is 5,67 so there rest 4.33

Now you got the choice to get for 2.95 another 39 gem's ore give the code you're friend so he can pay the 39 gems !
If you got more then one PaySave card with a rest of cash on them the can be combined to one bigger sum .

What is Paysafe Have a look here if you can get it

And on Top of this its perfect legal to Gift Pay Safe Codes to other Persons !
I make very often Gifts of them even to my Family to get them self for example a Birthday Present

You buy them : he cashes them in so everybody is happy !


P.S. To pay in the Premium Shop With Pay safe press UltimatePay

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4. Irrational AbstractIrrational Abstract Assassin posted May 5, 2012 09:12 PM
I WANT to see this happens. However, gem trading is an even more unrealistic idea than gem item trading. The Gift Certificate route ama wrote has a better chance. It will fill the need for people wanting to gift, less prone to abuse, and ensures TT will truly benefit from people's generosity.

The gift certificate should be in similar amount as regular purchase. Players WILL need to pay TT again, with real $$, instead of merely distributing unused gems.

Players shouldn't complain about the fixed amount gift option, the overseas transaction fee per gift, why they can't use the already paid for gems, etc, etc, if they are truly generous .

As for regifting gem item issue, the store doesn't make money when people do it. Less, in fact. Mathematical truth doesn't lie. No matter how much we (read: "you and I " ) will be pleased if we are enabled to do so, this particular dead horse has been put 6 feet under, with layers of fortified concrete poured on top, surrounded with land mines, with a machine gun nest placed smack dab in the middle, encircled with AAA batteries, under the constant monitor of a few ultra-high-intensity-petawatt-class-laser-cannon orbital platforms with super sensitive itchy trigger, we can't even beat it .
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5. gaspyrgaspyr Guard posted May 6, 2012 02:11 AM
the question is ; whats the point of an auction hall when we don't even have tons of gear in the game ? we already have our trade feature, this shud be used to resolve the issue, no need to go look for a non implemented feature (thats gonna take time to be added to the game ) in order to fix this prob .

as i stated bfore, ama's idea is +1 too, and +1 to IA for pointing out that a limitation shud be added, actually i played a game where we had exactly same prob ; unused gems getting traded with gold llol => leads to inflation.
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6. CKHW_RCKHW_R Guard posted May 7, 2012 02:58 AM
That is a problem with the lower lvl gem set. They can not be sold to traders and get back some gem, they can not be given to others neither. They just occupy many of your inventory slots.

When the patch was on which dinar can be bought with gem in traders, i thought the gem can be given from one player to another soon. In traders one gem can buy 500 dinar, and i can give someone 550 dinar or more for one gem. That is something like in the WOW, some players pay in-game gold for play-time cards(i dont know what the exact word is in English, you must buy that play-time card(has password matrix on it)with real money to play WOW.). But in fact, my thought did not come true.

As a free-money player, i always try my best to get gems(or gem items) in many ways, such as treasure map, game contest, invite friends and something else. I think i'm still in game because i can see that i have chance to get more gem(or gem items) for free. If the chance is larger, i think i will put more time in game. I think so does any other free-money players.

BTW, is there anyone who really buy dinar with gem?
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